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YunSooJin · Aug 22, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Alias_X

Seeing as what matters when you complete PvE is armor and skins, maybe they should have payed more attention to it at the time?

I really don't care about it. So your Dwarven and Break hammers look the same, DEAL with it.

Anet has to worry about completely new games every 6 months, do you realize how much of a burden that is?

Well, I have been dealing with it for months. I don't know how I got through those dark times before I got the courage to post here on the forums - but many nights I woke in the dark, sweating, wondering when the weapon skins were going to be finally rightfully updated.

On a lighter note, I distinctly have argued several times that ANET apparently had the time to give Cantha/FoW/UW several new skins (around 6 at the time of this post, apparently).

Seeing this is the case, I was thinking that it would be pretty cool if Tyrian skins were updated as well.

I was also thinking that their priority order was wrong, although far be it for me to dictate to ANET what their priorities are. I just thought maybe they should have finished their first game up before trying to jazz up their second - you know, since we did pay 50 dollars for an incomplete game (and it was incomplete, if I must argue with technicalities).

lyra_song · Aug 22, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I really do not see how this is any different from people crying to have their glad's and tormentor's armor updated - and I don't remember seeing anyone against that.

Because it was promised. And then delayed. Thats why people got PO'ed.

Weapon skins were not mentioned as placeholders or will be changed in the future (IIRC,CMIIW).

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

I dont want a skin change, i like my weapons.

*scratches her head and returns to granola bar*

Ninetail Trickster · Aug 22, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Arena Net does not have the resources to fix this difficulty with skins.
...because nothing is broken to fix.

Hockster · Aug 22, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

It would only be an incomplete game if you couldn't complete all the missions. Duplicated weapon skins, and there's really not that many of them, is incomplete? That really is a delusional statement.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

This might be just a rumor, Lyra, and I would appreciate it if others that were more knowledgeable popped in with information:

I remember hearing that there would be skin updates, in particular to the Swamp Club. This was back when Nef was an admin of the Buy/sell forums in gurus.

Unfortunately, the Swamp Club skin never materialized.
If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them.

Using Nef as a reference to anything factual is a huge disservice to the truth. Of anything. If you are postive actual Anet staff said skins would be changed, please reference it. Even the tiniest bit of fact would help your cause. As it stands there's nothing but a rant.

lyra_song · Aug 22, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

I think they only thing that needs fixing is more drops of some skins thats impossible to get i max damage like Tribals, Sickles, Wooden Inscribed Chakrams, etc. >.>

YunSooJin · Aug 22, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Because it was promised. And then delayed. Thats why people got PO'ed.

Weapon skins were not mentioned as placeholders or will be changed in the future (IIRC,CMIIW).

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

I dont want a skin change, i like my weapons.

*scratches her head and returns to granola bar*

This might be just a rumor, Lyra, and I would appreciate it if others that were more knowledgeable popped in with information:

I remember hearing that there would be skin updates, in particular to the Swamp Club. This was back when Nef was an admin of the Buy/sell forums in gurus.

Unfortunately, the Swamp Club skin never materialized.

And the people who were dissatisfied and complained were not in large numbers like those who had access to Gladiator's or Tormentor's.

If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them.

The thing is, this kind of stuff should not be fixed just because people decided to complain. That is decidedly irresponsible of any company ANET or not.

EternalTempest · Aug 22, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Just to make this clear - from all the negative feedback from this thread:

We have people saying several things:
1) Anet doesn't have the resources
2) Prophecies is an 'old version' so therefore cannot be updated without major resources
3) Having WEAPONS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES and SAME SKINS adds depth to gameplay, does not remove it.
4) Just because ANET states they aren't doing major changes to Tyria means they cannot fix small old problems
5) If I criticize ANET in any way I get flamebait from the resident ANET Defender Force (TM).

And Fyi (----------) - just because you crazy forum posters spam me with negative messages does not mean this thread has gotten its fair share of people reading and debating it - it just means trolls like you enjoy misquoting me and extrapolating mysterious opinions of 'mine' that you get from God Knows Where.

Issue #1 - They have stated not having resources for chapter 1 in interviews. The radio in fact with Jeff Spain mentioned about not having resources to "fix" the npc AI in chapter 1 for not enough resources.

Issue #2 - It is in the content department, Chapter 3 is about out, Chapter 4 is about 6 months in development, and chapter 5 will start very soon. There very busy. They have upgraded the graphics engine for all games, enhanced the GUI, added to guild halls. There a lot of indirect upgrades to C1... but no new content.

Issue #3 - I agree with you but for the support of it being a very very low priority.

Issue #4 - See my response to Issue #2. To add on it, if they have a game that "bombs" with not that many chapter out, it may hurt or mess up anet. Anet business model (from Jeff Spain radio interview) depends on making a great game that the fans to keep buying the next chapter.

Issue #5 - This should of been posted Sardelac Sanitarium which is a more of a yes/no and the majority would agree to "Add skins for weapons" without this detailed aruguing. Since you posted in Riverside, the forum that meant to = agree without you and why or disagree with you and why.

If this were in Sardealc I would do /signed - I would love it but don't think anet will do it.

@ If any one is attacking you in pm in negative way, you can report that to the admins.

lyra_song · Aug 22, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them..

See....NOW you are starting to make sense and not sounding like a whiner

We do need to investigate this matter further.

If Arena net promised skin changes, then it is a valid complaint, if not, then you're stuck in a canoe with no paddle...and theres a cataract in front of you.

explodemyheart · Aug 22, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

But I doubt they will, because anyone here who isn't willfully blind could not say with a straight face that this is not a deficiency to an otherwise excellent game.

A deficiency? Are you kidding?

Explain how these lack of different skins takes away from your ability to play this game.
What? It doesn't?

Explain then, how it could possibly take away from your enjoyment of playing this game.
What? It shouldn't?

You're just looking for things to complain about.

How can just go ahead and assume that Anet did not intend for the skins to be the same? Or maybe you're not assuming, you're psychic and knew that the designers never intended for it to be this way, but rather just got lazy!

There's no need for you to be getting hostile toward commenters and it's funny that once you did, and people started getting hostile back, you whipped out the troll card. Funny!

You came here and opened a thread, thus opening yourself up to the comments that don't align with yours. You wanted opinions on the issue, did you not? And now that you realize that ZOMG MILLIONS of people aren't in agreement with you, your feathers are ruffled. If you wanted people who agreed with you to post, you should have specified.

You seem to have a lot of hostility toward Anet, and people who defend them. People are defending them because your arguments are completely baseless. Your only proof that weapons should not be this way is that you feel they shouldn't be this way. Forget whether they really are or not, you don't want them that way so ZOMG THEY SHOULDN'T BE!

YunSooJin · Aug 22, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

See....NOW you are starting to make sense and not sounding like a whiner

We do need to investigate this matter further.

If Arena net promised skin changes, then it is a valid complaint, if not, then you're stuck in a canoe with no paddle...and theres a cataract in front of you.

Well it is pretty easy to call anyone who complains a whiner. I mean it is the favorite tactic of many people online who disagree with someone who has a complaint (admittedly, myself included). I wholly expected some people to jump around in circles calling me a whiner : P.

The thing is, I still feel my little cause is justified even if I just lied to you about the promised skin update. Although my little grudge is admittedly small, I feel it has validity simply through principle - and if ANET does decide to deny my claim, I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

vinegrower · Aug 22, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

For me, I always assumed that the different names were because these weapons drop in different regions. Kryta has a much different culture than Ascalon, and as such, would have different names for the same thing. From a RP perspective, it make perfect sense.

If you think the names of the weapons are making the game "incomplete" maybe they should just change the names so they are all the same. It would be faster, costs less, and still solve the problem, would it not?

Personally, if I had either a wingblade or butterfly sword and they changed the skin, I would be pissed. My warrior uses a pair of Falchions (which share the same skin as Scimitars and Tribal Blades) and I bought them specifically for their skin. If they were to change that skin, I would be extreamly pissed off since it is hard to find max damage versions of that skin that are not Falchions. After over a year of people collecting weapons based on their skins, to go back and change them now would be very unfair.

tommarrow · Aug 22, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

What's funny is that game manufactuers do the same thing with their monsters. How many times have you been playing a game and the level 50 monsters look the same as the level 5 monsters they are a different color and have a different name but have the exact same skin. It is common practice to do this in the game industry.

Kakumei · Aug 22, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

For future reference, when you decide to start an argument next:

Opinion != fact.

Chewbacca Defense · Aug 22, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Just to add perspective from a QA manager's eyes, for the simple requirement to add 1 new weapon skin into Tyria, the math follows for a simplified example:

In the simplified example, where only 1 shield skin exists in all of Tyria, we have 25 possible off-hands.

Also simplified, we have 1 skin for each melee + wand/core class, will give us 27 + 1(for the new skin) weapon skins.

If only 6 core classes are taken into account and only 25 explorable locations exists, then the combination of test cases that could exist are: 25x28x6x25 = 105000 Test Cases

These test cases only validate that the skin will show up properly in the above defined conditions. At 20s to load each location and equip the off-hand and the primary weapon, this would require 583 hours of testing.

This is only a simplified version. Obviously, you can cut down the hours by employing a large QA staff. At 100 QA staff, this would be about 5 hours/employee.

This example only assumes that ANet does full test coverage on all enhancements. However, in most cases, you can assume only 40% test coverage is completed before it is released to the public - which would still translate into about 125 hours of testing total.

This example, which is oversimplified, shows how complex an enhancement, such as adding a new skin to a game, can be.

Loviatar · Aug 22, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

The thing is, I still feel my little cause is justified even if I just lied to you about the promised skin update. Although my little grudge is admittedly small, I feel it has validity simply through principle - and if ANET does decide to deny my claim, I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

end of this thread for now for me as you have just shot yourself down.

so what if i lied to you its the principle that counts

lying for the principle of it......really weird

YunSooJin · Aug 22, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

end of this thread for now for me as you have just shot yourself down.

so what if i lied to you its the principle that counts

lying for the principle of it......really weird

For clarification, I think it is important to note that I told lyra_song I wasn't sure if the information I recall is true or not.

which is why I said "even if I lied to you".

I would ask you to read more carefully next time but I don't think it will make a difference ^^.

dargon · Aug 22, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Unfortunately Prophecies is still being sold in stores and is not an 'old edition' of a continuing line of software.

Halflife, Everquest, Anarchy Online, etc can all still be bought new in the store, gonna try and say that they should be continually updated too?

gosl · Aug 22, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

... I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

Let me get this straight, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you claim that Anet is bad for not "fixing" Prophecies and your only justification for such a claim is that weapons with the same skin but different names exists? Is that it? You seem to hover around this one concept even though a lot of people have already addressed the fallacy in it. Yet you never addressed them back and gave a rebuttal.

If I'm understanding your argument correctly, then that is an unfair attack on Anet. You assume weapons can not have the same skin if they have different names. Assumptions are not facts, and so should never be used as proof in an argument.

It seems like your only true foot hold in your quest to have Anet "fix" Tyria is the Swamp Club issue, and even that you're not 100% sure of. And even if Anet did claim to change that skin, that's only ONE skin. It doesn't mean they're suppose to change all weapon skins with different names. Your claim is pretty big and not having proper proof will not suprisingly get you flamed and trolled.

trankle · Aug 22, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Well it is pretty easy to call anyone who complains a whiner. I mean it is the favorite tactic of many people online who disagree with someone who has a complaint (admittedly, myself included). I wholly expected some people to jump around in circles calling me a whiner : P.

It that more or less easy than calling anyone who disagrees with you the "ANET Defender Force (TM)"? Just curious.

Also out of curiosity, what would happen if Anet did the update you're asking for, and your favorite weapons got newer, less attractive skins? Skins are a reason people spend money on weapons. I prefer a spatha on my warrior - I purchased a spatha for him specifically because of the skin (it has the stats I want, of course). What do you say to the legions of other players who did the same? "Tough luck...enjoy your complete game"?

I'm honestly asking, because I think this would be a big deal for a lot of people. Is it worth it to change the items that people sought out, purchased, and modded?

ChildeOfMalkav · Aug 22, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I wish they'd just blow up Tyria. Tyria is old content, people. Get over it. Nothing will be like Tyria nor should it be and Tyria will never get a major update/upgrade. And why should it? That chapter is done. Time to move onto the next chapter.